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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Dec 20, 2012 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: who do you think Donna is singing about?

my take is that they were defending him but he had a higher purpose to allow himself to die for our sins. To me it's very cool that he healed the slaves ear that one of his Apostles cut off. You didn't answer my question, why did Jesus even allow his diciples to carry weapons?

hey, I'd like to know that one myself. My take is that self-defense was ok by him. Personally I hate violence but don't take away my right to defend myself against evil mo-foo's. ANY weapon thats not being used by a person just sets there gathering dust. My uncle had a rifle mounted over his fireplace for 30 years after WW2. He never used it, it just sat there - damnedest thing! That gun refused to shoot anyone! Bad gun! haha

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Dec 20, 2012 8:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: who do you think Donna is singing about?

What about Matthew 26?

52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

Nice to see this stuff turning up here! I guess Catholic School (don't worry... I learned Evolution too) wasn't as useless as I thought...

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Dec 20, 2012 2:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: who do you think Donna is singing about?

Matthew 26:52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

He knew he was born to be sacrificed, to fullfill Scriptures
I don't think he meant that if some evil nut breaks into a school, that he should not be shot...or did he?

Catholic School? ha! I went thru 8yrs of Catholic grade school + some very scary Dominican Nuns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZoZEY69QQs

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Dec 20, 2012 3:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: who do you think Donna is singing about?

whoa whoa whoa....

4 yrs sisters of mercy (grade school)

4 yrs benedictine monks (boarding school)

let's not get into a catholic school pissing contest. Though thoroughly enjoyable, my last one ended only when someone confessed to sneaking vodka into st peter's basilica on the school pilgrimage to Rome. that's a basket of snakes we don't have time to open... although i will note that a benedictine monk turned me on to the dead.

I get what you mean about the evil nuts, but I think the broader point of his teachings about the last being made first and the meek inheriting the earth works both ways: those who crave power will be undone by it. A gun seems like alotta power to me.

But Christ's teachings, taken without a lot of the cultural baggage we've stuck on it since those early days, were radical. Early Christians were radicals who gave up swords and still died upon them. This nation full of "christians" would never admit it, but I think one of the toughest things to process about his expectations is that good men will always be at the mercy of evil men. Evil men, powerful men, and crazy men always have the upper hand since they aren't bound, like good folks, by humility, kindness, sympathy, and reason. I hate to say that all we can do, at the end of the day, is pray for the victims and send our love, but I think that might just be true. A war against insanity and violence in the human heart is, unfortunately, a losing battle.

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Dec 20, 2012 4:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: who do you think Donna is singing about?

holy molly - A pilgrimage to Rome? I'm impressed!(really)

You already won any pissing contest and the vodka put you over the top - haha. No doubt some priest got toasty that night. Our pilgrimage was when we were marched across the street every friday to Church for confession.

I'll admit the thou shalt not kill part is a doozey. So far I'm good on that one, unless you count birds, flies, ants and mosquito's. It sure would be a bummer if the not killing part included every living thing. I'll say that I kill critters faaaar less than in my youts. Except for the insects I mentioned, I don't have a heart to kill anything, though people who kill children would be a cause for me to go to confession. Someone religious once told me that the term kill meant murder.

I'm totally cool with the Pope's view on abortion and Capital Punishment. Not sure if I'm cool on his changing the sacrament of wine in Mass to German beer...

Well maybe if I commit to mere Chistianity, a good whipdown to kick the money makers out of a church would be OK with Jesus. After all, I'd only be following Him :)

I really dig his first miracle - hehe

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Dec 20, 2012 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: who do you think Donna is singing about?

Exactly. I'm not even a religious person, but it really irks me to see people twisting the words of the bible to suit their lifestyles. Even in the previous one, note that it doesn't mention "apostles." It simply says, "those who were around him." And even if they were his apostles, he clearly is not on board with their use of weapons.

It's not enough to just read. One also must comprehend the meaning of the words.

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Dec 20, 2012 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: who do you think Donna is singing about?

The comprehension is all...

Someone wise once told me that the Bible isn't a book so much as a library. Its got poetry, history, literature, romance, lyrics, and the gospels which are sort of a genre unto themselves. Picking out bits and pieces and interpreting them "literally" (whatever that means! what sense does the "literal" content of the book of Revelations make for us, pray tell??) often means picking out the bits and pieces that suit our attitudes or beliefs and ignoring the ones that complicate them. If anyone tells you that the 'literal' text of the bible is totally and irrefutably true simply point out the fact that in one gospel Christ is crucified on a different day of the week than in the other three. They can't both be 'true' in a simplistic, literal sense.